Up Close
Up Close with HealthTech’s Molly Coye, M.D.
All wired up about healthcare IT
by Rick Dana Barlow
As founder and
CEO of San Francisco-based Health Technology Center (a.k.a. HealthTech)
Molly Coye, M.D., MPH, has her finger placed firmly on the pulse of
technological adoption and investment in the healthcare industry. Coye
founded the non-profit research and education organization back in 2000
to "develop objective technology forecasts, innovative decision-making
tools and facilitate a learning network of experts and health system
leaders" for more than 45 of its partner organizations that include
healthcare systems, hospitals, safety-net providers and government
organizations.
Perhaps her most noteworthy accomplishment of late was plucking David
Brailer, M.D., Ph.D., from the private sector in 2003, only to let him
go within a year when President Bush tapped him to lead his proposed
national healthcare information technology initiative.
Before launching HealthTech, Coye had a varied career, including
stints with venture capital firms, consulting and development firms in
health technology and communications. She previously directed product
development and marketing for HealthDesk Corp., a developer of consumer
software for interactive health communication and disease management,
and served as executive vice president for managed care at Good
Samaritan Health System (San Jose, CA). She served as the director of
the California Department of Health Services, and also led the Division
of Public Health at the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public
Health and served as Commissioner of Health for the State of New Jersey.
Coye spoke with Healthcare Purchasing News Senior Editor Rick
Dana Barlow in late March about the White House’s national healthcare IT
effort under Brailer, whether he’s really making a difference and how
the initiative ties into supply chain management.
HPN: As part of the Bush Administration, David Brailer, Ph.D., has
been promoting the value of electronic health records for about a year
now. From your strategic point of view, what kind of progress do you
think he’s making in convincing healthcare facilities to adopt and
implement this technology? By the same token, what kind of progress are
you seeing among healthcare facilities actually adopting and
implementing this technology on or before 2014?
COYE: First of all, I think that Dr. Brailer has made tremendous
progress in convincing the world that this is a change that both is
needed and is inevitable. He has managed to convey the strength of the
evidence that having an [electronic medical record] improves safety and
quality, as well as efficiency, and that physicians and hospitals that
use EMRs actually wind up being quite delighted with them. So he’s
definitely made great progress in convincing people that this is
something that is coming and something we need.
In terms of progress among hospitals and outpatient care facilities
adopting EMRs, I think that if you follow behavioral change they are on
the road. Up until now, even hospitals that saw the advantages or the
reasons to invest in EMRs hesitated to do it because of the lack of
standardization and the fact that so many other institutions weren’t
doing it. So I think that an increasing proportion of hospitals are now
developing real concrete plans to enter into investing in EMRs. But in
many cases they are waiting to see if the standards are coming forward
and exactly what that means in terms of selecting products.
Can you give an estimate on how
much it would cost an average facility, regardless of size, to invest in
this technology?
No, it’s impossible even to give a ballpark figure because it’s not
only affected by the size of facility but how complicated and different
their legacy systems are and a lot of other factors.
When Dr. Brailer joined your
organization in the summer of 2003 you were quoted as saying, "David has
a compelling vision for how information technology can improve care
delivery, but also understands the real-world financial, operational and
clinical barriers in great detail." Certainly he has demonstrated that
understanding but he hasn’t really explained any tangible, workable
answers to the real-world financial, operational and clinical barriers
that prevent hospitals and outpatient care facilities from adopting and
implementing EMRs. Why? What do you think is preventing him from doing
this?
I disagree. I think that David has launched some very important steps
that will come to fruition this year and next: The continuing rapid
development of standards for EMRs, a certification process so that
hospitals and physicians can know that an EMR uses those standards and
will be interoperable, a process that will develop the [National Health
Information Network] so that the infrastructure will exist for
healthcare data exchange, and recommendations for ‘pay for performance’
and ‘pay for use’ that will provide incentives and partial financing for
investments in IT and EMRs. In addition, I believe that he will define
the ‘Regional Healthcare Information Organizations’ (RHIOs) this spring
or summer as entities that will finally allow hospitals, health plans
and others to pool funds within regions in order to support increased
investment in IT. These steps address the most important barriers that a
federal office like his could tackle: The need for standards,
certification, interoperability and data exchange and incentives. There
are many other complex barriers, of course, but we can’t expect even
very thoughtful and compelling federal leaders to be able to solve
everything for us!
Do you anticipate any kind of
legislation or regulation tied to reimbursement in order to "encourage"
adoption and implementation if progress slows due to any real-world
clinical, financial or operational barriers? Why?
Dr. Brailer has been very frank about the administration’s position
that if real progress isn’t made within the next couple of years on
these issues that legislation and regulation will be the next step. It
would also be the final step in the sense that it would probably be
enough to move the world. But they are reluctant to do that. They’d
rather not.
Will there be enough achievable
and recognizable economic and quality benefits from electronic medical
records to motivate healthcare facilities to adopt and implement them?
Some of the steps that are being taken now, like establishing
standards and certifying EMRs, are necessary but not sufficient. I think
that the sufficient step doesn’t necessarily need to be requiring
specifically the acquisition of EMRs. The same purpose can be
accomplished by pay-for-performance approaches that require electronic
reporting. Without actually requiring a hospital system to acquire an
EMR the fact that they have to report quality and safety statistics
electronically means that essentially they have to have an EMR.
Aside from patient
identification and safety, financial efficiencies and fraud prevention,
how do you link EMR adoption and implementation to improving supply
chain efficiencies for the bottom line?
Once you have real-time access to information about patients before
they arrive at the hospital and in the early stages of their time in the
hospital and as their condition changes there will be a whole series of
critical information bits that will be useful for managing the supply
chain for not only restocking but also for getting the right equipment
or goods to the bedside or to the provider at the right point. You can
anticipate needs because of access to that information.
What happens during an emergency
situation, such as a man-made or natural disaster, when you can’t
anticipate needs?
In most emergency situations in healthcare the biggest problem is
communication because everything is a flail and nobody knows who’s on
first or what’s going on except for the physician right at the scene of
the disaster or the problem. The ability to have communication systems
that can quickly aggregate information – they’ve got 10 different
patients affected by a similar thing – you now can figure out what the
demand for blood is going to be, what the demand for certain types of
surgical instruments is going to be, etc.
Considering President Bush’s
national healthcare information technology agenda being spearheaded by
Dr. Brailer, what do you see as the priorities for the next couple of
years? Why do you believe those priorities can be achieved by the 2014
deadline?
The continuing priorities will be to identify barriers in the market
and removing those barriers. The first barrier was the lack of
standards. They’ve obviously been making great headway on that. The next
barrier was confusion about what vendors actually had products that
could meet the standards. The whole certification process stems from
that. The third barrier was the lack of national backbone on which
interoperable information could be exchanged. The issuing of the RFI and
the process they’re going through now hopefully will lead to the
establishment of a national health information network, which would be
the backbone for the exchange of data.
In the future, I think it’s very likely, both from Dr. Brailer’s
comments and from what MedPAC has done and a number of other important
players in this arena, that CMS reimbursement will begin to move to not
only pay-for-performance but quite possibly to pay-for-use of health IT.
That was actually a positive recommendation voted for by MedPAC, which
sends the recommendation to Congress for Medicare reimbursement. They
specifically recommended in January of this year that Congress approve a
CMS pay-for-use; meaning, reimbursing hospitals and physicians
differentially for their use of health IT. They see the need to do that
in order to both provide some of the economic resources that will be
needed by providers in order to make this investment and also to provide
the incentive to prompt them to move forward with it.
Do you see this migrating to the
private sector where insurance companies will do the same thing?
Yes. We already have experiments in that direction like "Bridges to
Excellence," which is a major employer-sponsored initiative to reward
physicians. I think that’s a good signal that the private sector will
continue to go in that direction.
While the healthcare industry
may use the terms interchangeably, how do you distinguish between the
terms computerized medical record, electronic health record, electronic
medical record and electronic patient record?
For very broad policy purposes the differences are not terribly
critical. But, in fact, it’s very important on a more detailed level
that the electronic record includes information more generally about
health on a population basis and not just the medical encounter. That’s
because you want to know, for example, how on a population basis you’re
doing in controlling diabetes and preventing hypertension.
What you’re talking about
extends beyond the healthcare facility and into communities and
individual houses.
Yes.
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HPN
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